this is obama's katrina. then we plugged the leak, got repairs for people in the gulf, and it wasn't mentioned in the 2012 campaign. so i think it's hard to make a judgment. >> obama care is not the oil. >> no, it's not, but if i were concerned about these numbers as well as the number of people that can get on this website and get obama care. i think when they fix that, this problem will take care of itself. >> is this a brand problem or progressive view of the government unable to solve problems? >> that's a good question. obviously, we don't know, and you're right, health care is not the bp oil spill. it's something that's going to go on for years and decades. you talk to people about it and say, we're really not in the first inning of the nine-inning game. so it's going to take a while to sort this out. i go back to the old notion of follow the money. where is the money going in health care? and individuals are going to pay, employers are going to pay, the government is paying subsidies, but the real inte